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Time for... Duncan Hunter & Ron Paul

When the MC announced that Duncan Hunter was next up, somebody a few rows ahead of me spoke a whimsical but loud "yeah," and people laughed.

Perfunctory applause as he takes the stage. The lunch crowd is still filing back into the ballroom. In case you're wondering, there was a lovely spread in the media room.

Hunter is the first one to bring up the ACLU. To their credit, the ACLU had a booth in the vendors room. They looked relaxed but determined. Determined to do what, I don't know.

Hunter just spent 3 1/2 minutes talking about how he saved a cross from being removed from a war memorial.

He's concerned that the military-industrial manufacturing base is evaporating, sounds very populist and hawkish. He will make China stop cheating on trade and bring high-paying arms-manufacturing jobs back to America.

We ought to be very very scared of China's military buildup. They are acquiring missiles that could take out American aircraft carriers.

"We are going to leave Iraq in victory."

Hunter is the first to mention Iran. He is the hawk of the bunch by far. "We will not allow Iran to have a nuclear device. Period." Everyone's rattled this saber on tv, but for some reason not here.

People hit their feet for Israel: "They should not give back an inch of their land." Loud flagwaving, whooping, clapping.

On Mexicans: "there are some folks who come across the border to get jobs...but there are a lot that come here to hurt Americans."

854 miles of border fence in 6 months. Bank on it.

"I've come to the conclusion that God still loves this nation." Bold.

Slow rising ovation. Music is hard to distinguish.

Ron Paul observations and quotes :

He's only the second speaker to mention the constitution, and the only one to do it more than a passing manner. If only he didn't have such an exotic interpretation of it.

This dude hates taxes. You know it when you see him on TV, but you feel it in person.

The crowd still responds to calls for overturn of Roe.

He says that rather than waiting for a judicial ruling, Congress can remove the issue of abortion (and others) from the jurisdiction of the federal courts. And you thought Cheney was radical.

UN, WTO, IMF, NAFTA -- we shouldn't be party to any of them.

"I don't like border guards being sent to Iraq" got very tepid applause that sounded like confusion. People are getting dizzy.

No more birthright citizenship, free education, health care, food stamps for "illegal aliens'" children. Removing these "incentives" and "subsidies" will end illegal immigration. This gets solid applause. I am queasy and embarrassed.

"It's not that I'm against war per se, I'm against unnecessary, undeclared war." More confused applause.

The Soviets defeated themselves because they had a poor economic system -- Reagan didn't do it!

Only gold and silver should be basis of currency. Money should not be created "out of thin air." Hunger be damned.

"I don't even think we should have a Department of Education. Period." Loud applause.

One thing I'll say is that he is no way craven.

Comments

If I recall correctly, during the infamous "Jews need to be perfected" interview, Ann Coulter said that heaven is Duncan Hunter running things.

Ron Paul is looking great! www.ronpaul2008.com

Ron Paul is the greatest candidate in history.

Duncan Hunter claims to be against China's military build-up, but the greatest threat to America's national security is a weak economy created by wasting hundreds of billions on a confrontational military policy overseas. The US currently borrows $3 billion a day from the Chinese government to continue the occupation of Iraq.

Christians need to wake up and realize there's nothing Christian about killing people in the middle east.

Foreign Policy of Freedom, A Description

There is one and only one voice in Congress for a foreign policy of freedom, and it belongs to Ron Paul, who has stood alone for freedom for many years. Ron is the seemingly impossible: a voice for reason and truth in a den of thieves.

A Foreign Policy of Freedom is his 372-page manifesto, a collection of inspired statements to the House of Representatives that show him to be the most consistent and morally responsible politician, perhaps, in the whole of American history.

This book takes on a special significance with his 2008 run for the US presidency. Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr., writes the introduction.

Recently, you might have heard Ron condemning foreign aid, the Iraq War, our vast and needlessly growing military budgets, bombings of this country and that, troops in most all countries in the world, and all the other meddlesome activities of the US empire. This foreign policy, Congressman Paul has pointed out, is contrary to American ideals, diminishes American liberty, and ends up making worse the very problems it seeks to alleviate.

But did you know that Ron has been delivering this message through thick and thin from his first day in Congress in 1976 until the present day? That's 31 years of prophetic warnings, 31 years of courageous stands against the tide, 31 years of being proven right by subsequent events. There are no flip-flops, backpeddles, regrets, or coverups. He has told the truth again and again, no matter what it cost him.

In the middle of the Cold War, he decried the endless streams of subsidies from the US to communist governments. At the same time, he stood firm against aid to insurgents seeking to overthrow those regimes. He sensibly pointed out that the Soviet Union would collapse if it had to face financial reality, and an end to US aid would make that possible. He has been a stickler on the power of the presidency, refusing to grant the president authority to start wars without Congressional approval.

Herein you will find a chronicle of hypocrisy. Paul condemned the policy that subsidized Saddam Hussein, and the policy that waged war on Iraq and killed Saddam. The same is true of Noriega in Panama and the "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan who later made up the shock troops of Al-Qaeda.

"Our experiment with foreign policy interventionism has failed, just as our experience with domestic economic interventionism has failed," he said in 1982.

He said the same in mid-1990s.

"War, and the threat of war, are big government's best friend," he wrote only recently. "Liberals support big government social programs, and conservatives support big government war policies, thus satisfying two major special interest groups. And when push comes to shove, the two groups cooperate and support big government across the board — always at the expense of personal liberty. Both sides pay lip service to freedom, but neither stands against the welfare-warfare state and its promises of unlimited entitlements and endless war."

In many ways, this book is a history of a quarter century of folly, told by a man who saw what others did not, and had the temerity to state his view publicly. No voice for peace has been as consistent in the demand that government stop its intervention across the board. No supporter of free markets has been so determined to apply the logic of liberty to all aspects of foreign policy.

This book makes Ron Paul's place in history. There has never been anything so forthright, truth telling, and ultimately devastating from a US politician. Not since Taft has there been a book like this, and this one makes Taft's own classic seems vague and abstract by comparison.

Re: the gold standard.

"In the 34 years before Nixon closed the gold window, the money supply in the U.S. grew less than two fold. In the 34 years after Nixon’s action, the money supply expanded 13 fold. The Fed’s massive inflation of the 1990s resulted in the greatest advance in stock market history. Continued inflation is now pushing housing prices to record levels. Automobiles now cost more than houses did only thirty years ago."


Since 1972, median wages have stopped increasing for Americans and have even stopped increasing, and have even decreased for some segments of society like the 25-34 demographic.
Household wealth for median wage earners is lower now than it was 27 years ago in 1980, despite massive gains in productivity since then.
That median wages were higher in 1972, in a time before multi-GHz processors and the internet, than they are now is absolutely OUTRAGEOUS.

Remember, inflation is basically a transfer of wealth from the private sector of the economy (individuals), to the government, and the government is far less adept at managing wealth than individuals. That is why since Nixon took the US off the gold standard and ushered in an age of government created inflation, median wages in the US have stopped increasing and the US has lost ground to China in manufacturing.

Ron Paul observations and quotes :

"If only he didn't have such an exotic interpretation of it."

What's exotic about it?

"This dude hates taxes. You know it when you see him on TV, but you feel it in person."

The income tax is a horrible. Basically says that the government owns your money and allows you to keep a certain percentage, it's ludicrous.

"He says that rather than waiting for a judicial ruling, Congress can remove the issue of abortion (and others) from the jurisdiction of the federal courts. And you thought Cheney was radical."

And the Roe vs Wade ruling wad not? A one-shoe fit-all deal is pretty radical to me.

"UN, WTO, IMF, NAFTA -- we shouldn't be party to any of them."
Regulated trade isn't free trade. And the UN does mroe harm than good. Remember the UN resolutions to go to Korea and Iraq? Wars for the common good? Nah.

""I don't like border guards being sent to Iraq" got very tepid applause that sounded like confusion. People are getting dizzy."

Because most these people support the war blindly and always complain about the borders not being protected.

"No more birthright citizenship" (to illegals)

free education, health care , food stamps for "illegal aliens'" children. Removing these "incentives" and "subsidies" will end illegal immigration. This gets solid applause. I am queasy and embarrassed.

Why? Many illegals come over here because of those incentives. Then we, the taxpayers, have to pay for their healthcare, their education, etc etc. and they aren't even here legally. There are plenty of hospitals that are closing because of this, schools too.

""It's not that I'm against war per se, I'm against unnecessary, undeclared war." More confused applause."

Because they, again, blindly support this war.

"The Soviets defeated themselves because they had a poor economic system -- Reagan didn't do it!"

That's what he talks about, and that's what he uses to warn Americans about our potential bankruptcy.

"Only gold and silver should be basis of currency. Money should not be created "out of thin air." Hunger be damned."

Not exactly sure what this means. Printing money makes more hungry people because the dollar becomes less in value. If you have money based on Gold and Silver, your dollar will keep it's value for the most part, way more than fiat currency.

John F. Kennedy tried to do this, then after his assassinated LBJ reversed everything.

""I don't even think we should have a Department of Education. Period." Loud applause."

Amen to that. I've been through public education, NCLB Act is horrid and just proves that education is not a one-shoe fit-all experiment. Should be dealt at the local level, every since the DOE was created we have fallen in the rank of education worldwide.

"One thing I'll say is that he is no way craven. "
Amen :)

I disagree with almost all your sentiments regarding Ron Paul. He does NOT have an "exotic" interpretation of the Constitution; you've obviously never read the thing yourself, and I suspect that neither has Duncan Hunter or any of the other candidates.

Hunger, if anything, is actually caused by creating money, which causes inflation and causes poor people to pay higher prices for goods. The rich don't suffer from inflation, the poor do.

Your weird comments show a distinct lack of knowledge. I'm going to go donate to Ron Paul's campaign now so he can get his message out to more people who haven't yet heard it. I urge everyone reading this to do the same: http://www.ronpaul2008.com

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